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Know your Members of Parliament
« on: April 09, 2007, 08:13:45 AM »
http://www.parliament.gov.sg/AboutUs/Org-MP-currentMP.htm

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http://forums.hardwarezone.com/showthread.php?t=1580191

thread discuss on MP payrise issue, among other matters. interesting read.

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RE: Know your Members of Parliament
« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2007, 08:25:55 AM »
President - $3,187,100

Prime Minister - $3,091,200

Senior Minister - $3,043,300

Minister Mentor - $3,043,300

Deputy Prime Minister - $2,452,500

Minister/Senior Perm Sec - $1,593,500 [MR4 Grade]

Entry Superscale Grade - $384,000 [SR9 Grade]

Member of Parliament - $216,300


taken from
http://aaron-ng.info/blog/lets-forget-elections-just-employ-ministers.html

from Christine(from VR ZONE) :

Direct from The Straits Times

http://www.straitstimes.com/STI/STIMEDIA/pdf/20070409/salaries.pdf

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RE: Know your Members of Parliament
« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2007, 08:49:32 AM »
N SINGAPORE, IT PAYS TO WORK IN GOVERNMENT
Salaries for ministers to increase 60%
By Seth Mydans

SINGAPORE: How much money does it take to keep a Singapore government minister happy? The government says a million dollars is not enough, and on Monday it announced a 60 per-cent boost in ministers' salaries, to an average of 1.9 million Singapore dollars, or $1.26 million, by next year.

Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong will see his pay jump to 3.1 million Singapore dollars, five times the $400,000 earned by President George W. Bush.

In this nation where the bottom line truly is the bottom line, the argument goes, you've got to pay to get them and you've got to pay to keep them.

“If we don't do that, in the long term, the government system will slowly crumble and collapse,” Defense Minister Teo Chee Hean told reporters last month.



As the minister who oversees the civil service, Teo announced the pay hikes Monday, saying: “We don't want pay to be the reason for people to join us. But we also don't want pay to be the reason for them not to join us, or to leave after joining us.”

It is a pay system created in 1994 by Singapore's founder, Lee Kuan Yew, pegging the salaries of government ministers and top civil servants to the money they might earn at the top of the private sector.

Defending the system last month against an unusual public yelp of pain, Lee Kuan Yew painted a horrifying picture of a Singapore governed by ministers who earn no more than ministers anywhere else.

“Your apartment will be worth a fraction of what it is," he said, "your jobs will be in peril, your security will be at risk and our women will become maids in other people's countries.”

Singapore has one of the most efficient and corruption-free governments in the world.

It is Asia's second-richest country after Japan, with a gross domestic product per capita of about $31,000, and Lee said it could well afford to pay its leaders top dollar.

The total of the salaries before the in-crease amounted to 46 million Singapore dollars a year, he said, or 0.13 per-cent of government expenditure — 0.022 percent of gross domestic product.

Under the government's formula, ministers are to be paid two-thirds of the median of the top eight earners in each of six professions: accounting, law, banking, engineering, multinational companies and local manufacturing.

There has been no public sign of discontent among the men and women who run Singapore, but last month the prime minister noted mat they were earning just 55 percent of this benchmark.

“We don't want pay to be the reason for people to join us,” Teo said Monday in announcing the pay hikes. “But we also don't want pay to be the reason for them not to join us, or to leave after joining us.”

Talk of the impending pay increase drew an outcry here for weeks that included letters to newspapers and an on-line petition that has collected more than 800 signatures.

The average Singaporean earns something over $2,000 a month, and the government has voiced concern over a widening gap between rich and poor.

The ministerial raise comes three months ahead of a 2 percent increase in the sales tax.

Mohamad Rosle Ahmad wrote in a letter to the editor: “I am sure Enron and Worldcom paid more than top dollar for their top executives, and look where their companies are now — six feet under.”

“The argument goes, you've got to pay to get them and keep them.”

Lee Kuan Yew, whose title is minister mentor, said naysayers like this need a reality check. “I say you have no sense of proportion; you don't know what life is about,” he said last month.

“The cure to all this talk is really a good dose of incompetent government,” Lee said. “You get that alternative, and you'll never put Singapore together again.”

He presented himself as an example: “A top lawyer, which I could easily have become, today earns 4 million Singapore dollars. And he doesn't have to carry this responsibility. All he's got to do is advise his client. Win or lose, that's the client's loss or gain.”

The Straits Times newspaper quoted him as saying his current salary as minister mentor was 2.7 million Singapore dollars.

Money may buy happiness for a government minister, but some Singaporeans suggested that other motivations should also come into play for government service.

“What about other redeeming intangibles such as honor and sense of duty, dedication, passion and commitment, loyalty and service?” asked Hussin Mutalib in the Straits Times' online forum recently.

Carolyn Lim, a prominent writer, suggested in an essay in The Straits Times that Singapore needed a little more heart to go along with its hard head. “Indeed, a brilliant achiever without the high purpose of service to others would be the worst possible ministerial material,” she wrote.

“To see a potential prime minister as no different from a potential top lawyer, and likely to be enticed by the same stupendous salary, would be to blur the lines between two very different do-mains.”

The minister mentor brushed aside concerns like that. “Those are admirable sentiments,” he said. “But we live in a real world.”



If you are interested to find out more on te above mentioned petition:
http://www.petitiononline.com/paypap1/petition.html

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http://www.mycarforum.com/forum/International_Herald_Tribune_Article_on_Salaries_for_SG_Minister_P1830975/gforum.cgi?do=post_attachment;postatt_id=47930;guest=42334016

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RE: Know your Members of Parliament
« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2007, 11:37:01 AM »
i see the first few lines i als SIANZ to read liao.....

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RE: Know your Members of Parliament
« Reply #4 on: April 11, 2007, 12:44:27 AM »
sianz also must read. that's our money.

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Know your Members of Parliament
« Reply #5 on: April 11, 2007, 05:06:11 AM »
:x Well they want to compare their salary with the private sector? Probably they know but avoid the discussion that if we dont perform or miss targets in the private sector, we get pay cuts or even fired within a short window of 6-12mths. I have not seen our civil servants get salary cuts despite bad times.

 :x  I know of a superscale CS from the 'm-Homes-a' . Got fantastic offer from 1 of the big 5 consultant then, suffered all the way and couldnt meet target to make the promised pay package. Slightly after a year, cant tahan and went back to CS.

 :x  How to compare life in CS with private sector. How to compare the quality of talent in CS and private sector. How many Generals we place in the private sector that failed to perform. I dont think its a lost if the so call pool of "CS talent" leaves, but I bet you, they know they have the most comfortable job.

 :x  And to expect a minister to reply in parliament that " you cant quantify the work of CS unlike private so we cant set measureable targets etc to reward pay with performance..." What a load of bulls ... then why compare salary schemes with private sector in the first place.

 :x  Private Sect CEOs gets pay increase after meeting targets set by board and share holders. Here our CEO equivalent, decide how much to increase for himself. The nation's shareholders which are the people have no say. No wonder we have cases like NKF.

 :x  Enough said before get blacklisted.... I dont doubt some of the talents in the CS, but the way this is dealt with is so high handed. Even the facts does not support the proposal, they still insist of going ahead. Its just fyi for us commoners, so just shut up and move on with our lifes as usual singaporeans or move out of the country. :x  :x  :x  :x  :x

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Re: Know your Members of Parliament
« Reply #6 on: April 11, 2007, 06:28:51 AM »
Seriously, fug all of em!

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http://www.parliament.gov.sg/AboutUs/Org-MP-currentMP.htm

source : CAL hwz
http://forums.hardwarezone.com/showthread.php?t=1580191

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RE: Re: Know your Members of Parliament
« Reply #7 on: April 11, 2007, 07:27:14 AM »
seriously, we are the ones getting fugged.

have a look at the link here.
http://www.celicasg.org/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=181&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=

whatever they say...

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« Reply #8 on: April 11, 2007, 07:43:17 AM »
I was listening to the news on radio this morning. And it goes something like this..... 'After serious consideration, ministers agreed to the pay hike'. My immediate response was: KNN! If I were them, I would also say yes.
To add insult to injury, that FAT/GOOD for NOTHING President of hours is drawing 3.3M annually for bringing his pompous wife and a whole fleet of Indians to every function like a free buffet. Goodness. Where is the justice. Ong Teng Cheong = Yes. Nathan? NO!

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« Reply #9 on: April 11, 2007, 07:58:15 AM »
Just simply be a hand-waving-puppet can earn 3.3M/annum is wat I call "The Best Job In The World"!!.. :!:

Knn, maybe I shd go try & vote for presidency oso man..wahaha.. :lol:


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« Reply #10 on: April 11, 2007, 08:48:48 AM »
I cant imagine u running for president man. U will have many monicas LewdinSki below ur desk during orpit hour bro. Scary!

I rather pay u 3.3M to buy your GT wing hehehhe

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Just simply be a hand-waving-puppet can earn 3.3M/annum is wat I call "The Best Job In The World"!!.. :!:

Knn, maybe I shd go try & vote for presidency oso man..wahaha.. :lol:

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« Reply #11 on: April 11, 2007, 08:54:20 AM »
hell. we will vote for you Andy!

*provided you are able to get yourself on the voting slip first.

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« Reply #12 on: April 11, 2007, 03:01:10 PM »
totally agreed... what good can that be by informing yet we can't change anything. guess this is a conspiracy to gain as much 1st before the next election where they might lose.

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« Reply #13 on: April 11, 2007, 05:02:17 PM »
Quote from: "lanchiaolang"
I cant imagine u running for president man. U will have many monicas LewdinSki below ur desk during orpit hour bro. Scary!

I rather pay u 3.3M to buy your GT wing hehehhe


 :lol: Haha..bro, I dun mind a 3.3M GT wing man.. :wink:

If I run for presidency, u guys will hug & kiss me everytime u c me man..u know y??..1st thing..

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Mod till u drop, drop watever engine u dare & change any size xos u wan, some more got sub subsidize...wahaha...rofl :lol:


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« Reply #14 on: April 23, 2007, 01:35:22 AM »
Did you know? For the price of one Lee Hsien Loong, we could afford to hire:

(1)   one US President +
(2)   one UK Prime Minister +
(3)   one Japanese Prime Minister +
(4)   one German Chancellor

AND still have about half a million US dollars left over, to give away to
charity ?

From the International Herald Tribune:

World leader salary comparison
April 9, 2007

According to a government announcement Monday, the prime minister of
Singapore will draw an annual salary of slightly more than U$2 million
starting next year.

A look at how that stacks up:

President George W. Bush: U$440,000
Prime Minister Tony Blair of : U$370,000 ( 187,000£ )
Prime Minister Shinzo Abe of : U$360,000
Chancellor Angela Merkel of : U$350,000 ( 261,500 euros )


" I can't believe it !

I am looking after 301 million citizens.

You are earning 3 times more than me.

And you still claim that you're UNDERPAID ?? "


An excerpt, from the earlier CNN article:

ministers set for million-dollar pay hike

...... The opposition also argues that a million-dollar pay hike is
unwarranted for leaders of a country that has no legal minimum wage and
where 20 percent of the population earns an average monthly salary of
S$1,500 ( U$991 ).

But Lee Kuan Yew -- modern 's first prime minister, who is still
the leading voice in his son's cabinet -- will have none of it.

"The cure to all this talk is really a good dose of incompetent government,"
Lee senior told the Straits Times on Thursday, adding that it is "absurd"
for Singaporeans to quarrel about ministerial pay and warned that
would suffer if the government could not pay competitive salaries.

"Your security will be at risk and our women will become maids in other
people's countries," he said.

Some very startling leaps in logic there, from Lee Kuan Yew. But let's
humour the man. For the sake of discussion, let's assume that we can indeed
ascertain the quality of our PAP ministers, by comparing the economic status
of maids and Singaporeans.

For starters, we will revisit an old post of Mr Wang's, from June 2005. Back
then, the Straits Times reported that the bottom 20% of wage earners in
earn less than $1,200 a month. Mr Wang had then proceeded to
compare the earning power of such Singaporeans, to the earning power of
foreign domestic workers in :


Let's take a moment to think about the earning power of
(1) 's poorer citizens and
(2) 's foreign maids.

Let's say Madam Jin Pai Mia is a 55-year-old spinster belonging to the
Low-Income Singaporean category. She works as a cleaner in a commercial
office building and earns S$900 a month.

Madam Jin takes the MRT to and from work every day. That's about S$1.50 x 2
x 24 days = S$72 a month. She pays about $$60 for her water and electricity
bills at home. She eats three meals a day, each costing an average of
$$3.00. That's $$3.00 x 3 meals x 30 days = $$270 a month on food. Let's say
Madam Jin falls sick once in a while and needs to see the doctor. We'll put
it at $$20 a month. She rents a flat from the HDB. Let's say it's $$250 a
month ( I don't know how much it costs - it's just my guesstimate ).

That's $$672 on basic stuff like transportation, water, electricity, food,
medical care and accommodation. After deducting $$672 from Madam Jin's
monthly salary of $$900, she's left with $$228.

Now, a foreign domestic maid gets about $$300 a month. However, the maid
does not need to spend money on public transport to get to work each day.
Her employer pays the electricity and water bills and provides three meals a
day. The maid's accommodation is essentially free. If the maid falls ill,
the employer is, by law, responsible for her medical expenses.

So when the maid gets $$300 a month, the maid really earns $$300 a month.

However, when Madam Jin gets $$900, she's really earning just $$228 a month.

The basic idea is quite simple. Although foreign maids get low salaries in
, their employer covers almost all their necessary expenses - food,
accommodation, utilities, medical care etc. When you factor all that in, you
will see that the average foreign maid's earnings are quite comparable to
the earnings of the average Singaporean in the bottom 20% .

Thus, we can say that one in five Singaporeans is no better off than a
foreign maid.

If we use Lee Kuan Yew's suggested methodology, we would begin to develop
strong suspicions that our PAP ministers are not very competent, after all.

However, the relevant statistic - that the bottom 20% of wage earners in
earn less than $$1,200 a month - is an old one, from 2005. Perhaps
things have improved since then? After all, our PAP ministers can't be that
incompetent, can they?

According to this Straits Times report in 2007, things seem to have
only become worse.

Not only has the average income of the bottom 20% of Singaporeans not risen,
the average income of the bottom 30% has actually fallen.

Now, if we should once again adopt Mr Lee's methodology, we cannot help but
be struck by the aptness of his words.

All these years, our ministers have already been receiving the world's
highest ministerial salaries. Yet all these years, Singaporeans seem to have
indeed been suffering from a "strong dose of incompetent government".

Source: http://mrwangsaysso.blogspot.com

*read it on SLC first.
http://forums.delphiforums.com/n/mb/message.asp?webtag=lancerforums&msg=49686.1