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[Focus] Gold
« on: September 17, 2008, 03:45:24 PM »

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Re: [Focus] Gold
« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2008, 12:54:55 AM »
this baby should go thru the roof this week.

flight to gold.

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Re: [Focus] Gold
« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2008, 06:11:44 AM »
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just check the gold prices.

it's around 872 now.

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Re: [Focus] Gold
« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2008, 07:51:57 AM »
cross the 900 mark.

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Gold @ 912.4
« Reply #4 on: October 10, 2008, 03:40:00 AM »

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Re: [Focus] Gold
« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2008, 04:03:28 AM »
wow.

Think gold is inversely proportional to market performance lol.

But it's not gold to be bought now, it's still tocks.
Just Waiting on market to flat out and start curving up b4 buying in.

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Re: [Focus] Gold
« Reply #6 on: October 10, 2008, 04:09:48 AM »
just be careful on gold. it's not as "safe" as you think.

good luck, good gold.

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Re: [Focus] Gold
« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2008, 02:19:15 PM »

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What Does $5 Billion In Pure Gold Look Like?

like that. wOOt!

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Platinum Drops in Asia as Global Auto Sales Plunge; Gold Falls
« Reply #8 on: December 04, 2008, 04:28:22 AM »
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[COLOR="Red"]Platinum Drops in Asia as Global Auto Sales Plunge; Gold Falls [/COLOR]
By Glenys Sim

Dec. 3 (Bloomberg) -- Platinum declined in Asia as a deepening economic slowdown reduced sales by automakers, which account for nearly two-thirds of consumption. Gold also fell.

U.S. November sales declined 41 percent at General Motors Corp. and 31 percent at Ford Motor Co. Toyota Motor Corp. and Honda Motor Co. posted drops of 34 percent and 32 percent respectively. GM has said it may run out of cash by year-end as the recession saps demand.

“The demand simply isn’t there,” Tetsuya Yoshii, vice president for derivative products at Mizuho Corporate Bank Ltd., said by phone from Tokyo. “People aren’t using platinum with auto production and sales are coming down.”

Platinum for immediate delivery fell as much as 1.6 percent to $793 an ounce, before trading at $803.50 an ounce at 10:15 a.m. Singapore time.

The metal for January delivery was little changed at $809.40 an ounce in after-hours electronic trading on the Comex division of the New York Mercantile Exchange. October-delivery platinum on the Tokyo Commodity Exchange rose 0.6 percent to 2,389 yen a gram ($796 an ounce) at the 11 a.m. local time break.

“Speculative money isn’t flowing in as investors took money off the table at the end of last month, and it’s unlikely there will be big inflows now we’re at the end of the year,” said Mizuho’s Yoshii.

U.S. auto sales have dropped for 13 straight months compared with year-earlier results, the longest slide in 17 years. The U.S. is the world’s biggest market for cars and light trucks, which are included in the figures.

Vehicle Sales

Growth of cars sales in China, which have surged fivefold over the past eight years, slipped to 9 percent in the third quarter, the slowest pace in five years. European and Japan vehicle sales also slumped.

Immediate-delivery gold dropped 0.6 percent to $777.33 an ounce at 10:23 a.m. in Singapore, after rising as much as 2.3 percent yesterday, the most in more than a week. Gold for February delivery in New York fell 0.7 percent to $777.60 an ounce.

“Gold will continue to trade in the $700 to $850 range for the rest of the year as investors seek a safe haven, while continuing to be driven by the euro-dollar relationship,” Mizuho’s Yoshii said. The euro bought $1.2704 from $1.2714 late yesterday in New York.

Gold for October delivery added 1.8 percent to 2,321 yen a gram in Tokyo at the trading break, and Shanghai gold for June delivery gained 0.3 percent to 169.30 yuan a gram ($765 an ounce).

“No one really wants to buy equities so there isn’t much choice at the moment if you want to stay invested,” said Yoshii.

Among other precious metals for immediate delivery, silver lost 1.2 percent to $9.47 an ounce, and palladium was up 0.3 percent at $173.50 an ounce.

To contact the reporter on this story: Glenys Sim in Singapore at gsim4@bloomberg.net

Last Updated: December 2, 2008

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Re: [Focus] Gold
« Reply #9 on: January 13, 2009, 02:09:05 AM »

via : http://www.kitco.com/charts/popup/au0365nyb.html

High : 1002.80
Low : 709.50

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Gold Falls Most in 6 Weeks as Commodities Slump, Dollar Rallies
« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2009, 02:14:14 AM »
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By Pham-Duy Nguyen

Jan. 12 (Bloomberg) -- Gold prices fell the most in six weeks as the dollar’s climb and slumping commodity costs reduced demand for the precious metal as a hedge against inflation. Silver also declined.

The dollar gained as much as 0.7 percent against a weighted basket of six major currencies and the Reuters/Jefferies CRB Index of 19 raw materials fell as much as 3.9 percent. Gold’s gains last year were the smallest since 2004 as commodities had their worst year in a half-century and the dollar advanced for the first time since 2005.

“The deflationary scenario is still incredibly intact, even though the government has thrown trillions of dollars at it,” said Leonard Kaplan, the president of Prospector Asset Management in Evanston, Illinois. “Gold has a long ways to go down.”

Gold futures for February delivery fell $34, or 4 percent, to $821 an ounce on the Comex division of the New York Mercantile Exchange, the biggest drop since Dec. 1 for a most- active contract. Earlier, the metal touched $817.10, the lowest since Dec. 12.

Silver futures for March delivery dropped 57 cents, or 5 percent, to $10.75 an ounce. The metal fell 24 percent last year while gold gained 5.5 percent.

Gold may have to catch up with other commodities as a deep recession forces raw-material prices lower, Kaplan said.

Oil has plunged 74 percent from a record in July, while platinum has dropped 58 percent from the all-time high in March. Gold has declined 21 percent from a record in March.

A rally by the dollar will hurt demand for gold, analysts said. The euro dropped as much as 1.4 percent today against the greenback on speculation that the European Central Bank will cut its main interest rate this week to boost the economy.

Borrowing Costs

The Federal Reserve has slashed U.S. bank borrowing costs to zero to 0.25 percent, while the ECB’s benchmark is 2.5 percent.

“The region cannot afford further hawkish posturing from the ECB,” said Jon Nadler, a senior analyst at Kitco Inc. in Montreal.

Investment in the SPDR Gold Trust, the biggest exchange- traded fund backed by bullion, rose 0.9 percent last week to 787.6 metric tons. The fund’s assets jumped 24 percent in 2008.

Hedge-fund managers and other large speculators increased net-long positions in Comex gold futures for the fourth straight week, Commodity Futures Trading Commission data showed on Jan. 9.

Speculative long positions, or bets prices will rise, outnumbered short positions by 133,604 contracts in the week ended Jan. 6, agency data showed.

“Net-long positions in gold and platinum are rather extended, while those of silver and palladium are less threatening,” said John Reade, a UBS AG analyst in London. Last week, Reade said gold will trade at $800 within one to three months.

To contact the reporter on this story: Pham-Duy Nguyen in Seattle at pnguyen@bloomberg.net.
Last Updated: January 12, 2009 14:20 EST
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confusing. all my reading points to the fall of the dollar.

yet, it becomes the safe haven of all currency. perhaps the world cannot be rid of it's dependency on the greenback.
as someone points out, if the world dun use USD... then what do they use?

RMB? unlikely, as the monetary control is too tight.
Euro? when they can hardly work together?
Pound? legacy...
Swiss Francs? only when you are there.
Japanese Yen?

USD still comes out up. no question about it. even if the Feds are printing money faster than people can consume.

weird.

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via National Geographic : The Real Price of Gold
« Reply #12 on: January 14, 2009, 07:48:09 AM »

Gold miner in Ghana
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The Real Price of Gold
By Brook Larmer
Photograph by Randy Olson

Like many of his Inca ancestors, Juan Apaza is possessed by gold. Descending into an icy tunnel 17,000 feet up in the Peruvian Andes, the 44-year-old miner stuffs a wad of coca leaves into his mouth to brace himself for the inevitable hunger and fatigue. For 30 days each month Apaza toils, without pay, deep inside this mine dug down under a glacier above the world's highest town, La Rinconada. For 30 days he faces the dangers that have killed many of his fellow miners—explosives, toxic gases, tunnel collapses—to extract the gold that the world demands. Apaza does all this, without pay, so that he can make it to today, the 31st day, when he and his fellow miners are given a single shift, four hours or maybe a little more, to haul out and keep as much rock as their weary shoulders can bear. Under the ancient lottery system that still prevails in the high Andes, known as the cachorreo, this is what passes for a paycheck: a sack of rocks that may contain a small fortune in gold or, far more often, very little at all.

Apaza is still waiting for a stroke of luck. "Maybe today will be the big one," he says, flashing a smile that reveals a single gold tooth. To improve his odds, the miner has already made his "payment to the Earth": a bottle of pisco, the local liquor, placed near the mouth of the mine; a few coca leaves slipped under a rock; and, several months back, a rooster sacrificed by a shaman on the sacred mountaintop. Now, heading into the tunnel, he mumbles a prayer in his native Quechua language to the deity who rules the mountain and all the gold within.

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*it's a 13 page article.

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Usage of Gold
« Reply #13 on: February 11, 2009, 06:10:18 AM »
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Dentistry. Gold alloys are used in restorative dentistry,
Colloidal gold is used in research applications in medicine, biology and materials science.
Gold produces a deep, intense red color when used as a coloring agent in cranberry glass.
In photography, gold toners are used to shift the color of silver bromide black and white prints towards brown or blue tones, or to increase their stability. Used on sepia-toned prints, gold toners produce red tones. Kodak published formulas for several types of gold toners, which use gold as the chloride (Kodak, 2006).
As gold is a good reflector of electromagnetic radiation such as infrared and visible light as well as radio waves, it is used for the protective coatings on many artificial satellites, in infrared protective faceplates in thermal protection suits and astronauts' helmets and in electronic warfare planes like the EA-6B Prowler.
Gold is used as the reflective layer on some high-end CDs.
Automobiles may use gold for heat insulation. McLaren uses gold foil in the engine compartment of its F1 model.[7]
Gold is highly conductive to electricity, and has been used for electrical wiring in some high energy applications
Though gold is attacked by free chlorine, its good conductivity and general resistance to oxidation and corrosion in other environments (including resistance to non-chlorinated acids) has led to its widespread industrial use in the electronic era as a thin layer coating electrical connectors of all kinds, thereby ensuring good connection. For example, gold is used in the connectors of the more expensive electronics cables, such as audio, video and USB cables.
and in use for contacts with a very high failure cost (certain computers, communications equipment, spacecraft, jet aircraft engines) remains very common, and is unlikely to be replaced in the near future by any other metal.
Besides sliding electrical contacts, gold is also used in electrical contacts because of its resistance to corrosion, electrical conductivity, ductility and lack of toxicity.[8] Switch contacts are generally subjected to more intense corrosion stress than are sliding contacts.

There's another 5 pages on the industrial use of gold. But, besides these things, you're correct, very little industrial use.

via : http://www.lotustalk.com/forums/f68/why-back-currency-gold-68314/

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It's all about trust. Having a gold backed currency is easy to trust. You know a dollar would equal a certain amount of gold. It's simple. No thought needed. As long as there is enough gold to go around to back the currency then it's all good.

Now with a fiat currency it's not that simple. There is no simple equation, $1 = x amount of gold. It's much more complicated. A fiat currency is backed by the economy of the country. Sounds simple right? But what does that mean, backed by the economy? It means that each dollar is backed by ALL wealth - storehouses (land) of unprocessed natural resources/commodities (gold, oil, farmland, etc), the ability to process raw materials into commodities, the ability to turn commodities into finished products, the labor force to do the above, the technology to do the above, the retail sector to do the above, the service sector to provide services to people, etc etc etc down to how the government can collect taxes (the government is both producer and consumer of services).

The greatest weakness of a gold back currency it the lack of growth potential. If we were stuck with a gold backed currency we would be lucky to have 1/3 the size economy we currently have. There would be three ways for our economy to grow, mining more gold, buying gold with goods or war and the pillaging of gold. The economy can't grow without currency. Deflation occurs. Wages drop, prices drop, profits drop etc.

With a fiat currency the government can see when the money supply is tight because people are using more. Interest rates go up because the DEMAND for money goes up. Then the government can release more money into the economy and theoretically rates go down as demand goes down. The issue here is inflation. If there is too much money around people are more willing to spend it. The price doesn't matter as much. So prices go up. Here is the complex part though. Inflation in this manor, some people believe, as I do, is good for the economy. Not huge amounts of inflation, just bits, say 2-3%. Why is this good? Because good companies can charge more for their products. Prices going up means inflation. As long as there is value to the customer they are willing to pay more. The company creates more value in the economy. They are able to pay their workers more. They produce more income for shareholders. So the economy grows.

Consider it evolution for the economy. The better animals get more than the others. They grow and the weaker ones die. In the end there are more companies. In a capitalist economy this is considered the best utilization of resources. The most efficiently run companies grow. They find different niches for their companies, something like a new food source. They make their own business where none ever existed before (innovation, R&D). They charge more for their products and are able to receive it. Weaker companies die (bankruptcy) and the stronger ones pick at the carcasses for the best bits.

Think of it like this. The gold standard is like 10 gallons of water. There are 10 people. Everyone needs 1 gallon of water per day. Some have get more than others but it averages out to be 1 gallon per person. Some people suffer but on average people get what they need. Now add 10 more people. The average is now .5 gallons per person. That's deflation. Some people have enough water but the rest suffer. The more people you add the fewer people "win" and more people "lose". Rarely does the number go below 10 so in general there is little if any waste ever. This scenario the number of people (the economy) is limited by the supply of gold. No matter how many times you pass the cups there is only so much supply of water. Little to no growth occurs.

Now with a "fiat" water economy. Same scenario. 10 gallons, 10 people. All's pretty much the same as above. Now 10 more people come along and there isn't enough to go around. The government sees the average per person goes down and now the government can magically make 10 more gallons of water. It's good. Here though what if you lose some people? The government see there is too much and the government makes less water. It all averages out. The problem here is if the government makes too much water and it is wasted or does not make enough water and people suffer. It is a very tight balancing act that the government does to make just the correct amount of water. The beautiful part here is that it can support as many people that need it. 10, 100, 1000, it can work out. More people doing better. Still some people will suffer. There will be periods of waste and periods of lacking. In this scenario the currency supply (water) will vary with the number of people. It allows for a much greater number of people by allowing the water suppy to grow with the people (the economy).

So now think of the above situations and think of it like this: Is the US's supply of gold the best indicator of it's economic strength or is a more abstract concept of all of our natural resources, manufacturing, services people and land a better indicator of our true strength?

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Re: [Focus] Gold
« Reply #14 on: February 17, 2009, 08:36:47 AM »
gold will break the 1K mark. probably stay there for a while before coming back down.

not helped by a lesser supply of gold due to a mine issue.