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Offline zuoom

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SATA, eSATA, eSATAP
« on: September 07, 2010, 03:06:36 AM »
Quote from: FusionCat;45728669
http://features.techworld.com/storage/3075/usb-becoming-universal-slow-bus/

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http://www.barefeats.com/hard71.html

Why is this critical, assuming a transfer of 64GB file will take you an hour over USB bu 20mins via esata
Same for 3 hours (360GB) to 1 hour.

For your reading pleasure:
http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/13/power-over-esata-fans-go-wild-over-mobo-manufacturers-latest-an/

http://www.hardwarezone.com/articles/print.php?cid=14&id=2538
New combo port getting more common.

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Bracket provide seamless transition from internal SATA, USB to esataP (ESATA + USB) combo. No need tweak to driver or OS or BIOS.

My passion in storage speed pursue has led me to do this MO:
http://deluxeforums.hardwarezone.com.sg/showthread.php?p=45725510

For those who want to feel the speed, feel FREE to test and play the test cable and bracket at my place. :)

Benefit
1) no longer need USB for power
2) can be used as a USB port too
3) no longer need power adaptor for 3.5" HDD (note: only for desktop as notebook don't supply 12v)
4) Speed is 3 times faster than USB.
5) Bracket simply translate internal SATA to EsataP (No need driver or touch the OS or BIOS)

Updated:
http://features.techworld.com/storage/3075/usb-becoming-universal-slow-bus/

Latest speed test with an esataP bracket
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93MB/s (744Mbps) My SATA is only 1.5Gbps), there is a second disk involved.

If using above method, must not use too long cables to avoid errors. Total length measured from mobo port to bracket to eSATA enclosure.

the true eSATA has superior electrical/mechanical characteristics than the internal SATA. see below:

eSATA

Standardized in 2004, eSATA (e=external) provides a variant of SATA meant for external connectivity. It has revised electrical requirements in addition to incompatible cables and connectors:

    * Minimum transmit potential increased: Range is 500–600 mV instead of 400–600 mV.
    * Minimum receive potential decreased: Range is 240–600 mV instead of 325–600 mV.
    * Identical protocol and logical signaling (link/transport-layer and above), allowing native SATA devices to be deployed in external enclosures with minimal modification
    * Maximum cable length of 2 metres (6.6 ft) (USB and FireWire allow longer distances.)
    * The external cable connector equates to a shielded version of the connector specified in SATA 1.0a with these basic differences:
          o The external connector has no "L"-shaped key, and the guide features are vertically offset and reduced in size. This prevents the use of unshielded internal cables in external applications and vice-versa.
          o To prevent ESD damage, the design increased insertion depth from 5 mm to 6.6 mm and the contacts are mounted farther back in both the receptacle and plug.
          o To provide EMI protection and meet FCC and CE emission requirements, the cable has an extra layer of shielding, and the connectors have metal contact-points.
          o The connector shield has springs as retention features built in on both the top and bottom surfaces.
          o The external connector and cable have a design-life of over five thousand insertions and removals, wheras the internal connector is specified to withstand only fifty.

from wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_ATA

I found that plugging into true eSATA connection gives much better burst speed out of the HDD compared to plugging into an internal SATA port.
via : http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/showthread.php?t=2763363

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SAS Vs. SATA
« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2011, 03:56:04 AM »
add SAS to the mix.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/UNIFIED-SERIAL-RAID-CONTROLLERS-PCI-EXPRESS,1665-2.html



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Can you tell them apart? The upper connectors are SATA (individual connectors), while the lower one belongs to a Seagate Savvio SAS drive, carrying the continuous connector for data and power.

Both SAS and SATA are based on full-duplex, switched serial point-to-point connections, which means that there is no need to manually assign device IDs or to terminate the connections, and data can be sent and received simultaneously. SAS and SATA also facilitate device hot-plugging. Speeding up parallel protocols such as Ultra320 SCSI either required a wider bus, which requires more wires, or faster clock speeds, which causes problems with signal delays. Serial point-to-point interconnects, however, can simply be bundled. SAS makes use of this technological principle, combining multiple SAS connects to hook up to external appliances.

Mechanically, there is only one difference between SAS and SATA: while both use the same pinout for data and power connections, the two connectors are physically separated for SATA. For SAS, the two connector segments were merged, which makes it possible to attach a SAS drive to a SATA controller using the continuous connector, but you cannot hook up a SAS hard drive to a SATA controller using the SATA connector (SFF 8482).

Performance wise, there is not much of a difference between the two interfaces. Serial ATA 2.5 provides a maximum bandwidth of 3 Gbit/s per port, using an 8/10 bit encoding, which results in a 2.4 Gbit/s or 300 MB/s bandwidth that can be used for actual data. The same applies for SAS, and the roadmap provides a road to 6 and 12 Gbit/s, resulting in 600 MB/s and 1,200 MB/s bandwidth per port.